The AI Spending Boom is Propping Up Wall Street — and Trump | Pivot
Pivot with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway
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Video Summary
The podcast discusses the significant role of AI in America's current economic landscape, positing it as a major bet driving market valuations. This AI-fueled optimism, particularly in the stock market, is argued to provide political cover for certain actions. The conversation then shifts to the surprising resilience of the market despite economic headwinds and the concerning interconnectedness of major tech companies, highlighting a potential bubble. The potential for a market collapse is discussed, with concerns raised about overvalued tech stocks, particularly those driving the S&P 500's gains.
The speakers explore the challenges faced by automotive companies like Tesla, noting its declining market share and the competitive pressure from cheaper electric vehicles, especially from China. OpenAI's substantial deal-making for computing power is also examined, with scrutiny on the circular nature of these investments and the potential for an AI bubble.
Further discussions touch upon corporate leadership transitions, using Apple's potential CEO succession as an example of a well-managed handover, contrasting it with other companies. The episode also delves into broader economic concerns, including the surge in gold prices as a response to a loss of faith in the dollar and US debt, and the implications of a potential government shutdown. Finally, the conversation touches on political dynamics, including troop deployments and the perception of leadership, concluding with predictions about the Nobel Peace Prize and the duration of a government shutdown.
Short Highlights
- The current US economy is viewed as a large bet on AI, influencing market valuations and providing political cover.
- Concerns are raised about a potential AI bubble and market collapse due to the interconnectedness and overvaluation of tech companies.
- Tesla faces increasing competition from cheaper EVs, with its market share declining and investors unimpressed by its recent product releases.
- OpenAI's significant spending on computing power and its valuation are scrutinized, with discussions of a potential "round-tripping" financial strategy among tech firms.
- The price of gold has surged, signaling a loss of confidence in the US dollar and US debt, with foreign central banks increasing their gold holdings.
Key Details
AI's Economic Dominance and Political Cover [20:19]
- America is described as making a giant bet on AI.
- The market's performance, specifically the S&P's rise of 23%, is suggested to have provided political cover.
- Without the market's positive performance, it's argued that a certain political figure would not have had the "cloud cover" to take aggressive actions, such as sending troops into Portland.
- The extraordinary valuations of AI companies and the acceleration of the top 10 stocks are seen as enabling certain political behaviors.
- The valuations of AI and the market's performance are directly linked to providing a political figure the cover to move towards fascism.
The bet on AI, the extraordinary valuations of AI, the acceleration of these 10 stocks which are responsible for the uptick in the S&P are enabling Trump's behavior. I think AI and the market valuations of AI are the reason that Trump has the cloud cover to move towards fascism.
Tesla's Challenges and Market Competition [07:32]
- Tesla revealed cheaper versions of the Model 3 and Model Y, priced about $5,000 less than current models.
- These new cars have simpler interiors and fewer luxury features, like the "cool light on the front."
- The cheaper cars were intended to offset the impact of the end of the EV tax credit.
- Investors reacted negatively, with Tesla's stock falling 4% after the announcement, as customers are perceived to be "paying more for less."
- Tesla's market share in the US has dropped to its lowest level since 2017.
- Tesla's sales were down 43% year-over-year in the EU and down 6.3% year-to-date in China.
- While September was a record month for EV sales in the US due to the expiring tax credit, Tesla's sales were only up 7.4%, compared to Ford and GM EVs which were up 107%.
- Chinese EV manufacturers, like BYD, offer vehicles significantly cheaper, with the BYD seagull priced under $8,000.
The way to summarize it is less for more. with the the end of the tax credit. They couldn't compensate for the end of the tax credit in terms of a a value of product to cost ratio.
OpenAI's Financials and the AI Bubble [15:26]
- OpenAI has signed approximately $1 trillion in deals this year for computing power, partnering with Nvidia, Oracle, and AMD.
- A massive deal with AMD sent the chipmaker's stock up over 40%.
- OpenAI's estimated cash burn is $115 billion through 2029.
- The company's latest valuation is $500 billion, making it the world's most valuable private company.
- Analysts are concerned about circular deals and a "round-tripping" financial strategy among companies in the AI space.
- This practice involves a network of companies pouring money into each other's coffers, fueling an AI bubble.
- Nvidia is also investing in XAI's funding round, further illustrating this pattern of mutual support.
- The financial mechanics of Nvidia investing in OpenAI and then purchasing Nvidia chips are analyzed, showing a potential for significant returns for Nvidia but raising questions about the sustainability of the bubble.
- These deals are described as feeling "late-stage bubble."
Well, if what is it? Well, let's just do the math. If Nvidia invests a hundred billion in open AI and with the with the agreement that they're going to turn around and buy and spend all of that hundred billion on Nvidia chips, uh, okay, so that's that's trading at $4 trillion.
Market Collapse and Investment Strategies [18:53]
- Experts are expressing concerns about a potential market collapse due to the frothiness around tech stocks.
- The consensus among knowledgeable individuals about an impending event often indicates it may not happen as predicted, or at least not in the expected timeframe.
- The growth arc of OpenAI is compared to Netscape, suggesting it might be two years away from a bubble burst.
- The speaker is personally buying European and Latin American stocks and is contemplating going "short the Magnificent 10" (referring to the top 10 performing stocks).
- This strategy involves investing in vehicles that bet on these top 10 companies decreasing in value.
- The interconnectedness of the market is highlighted, where a downturn in a few major companies could trigger a wider collapse.
- Ten companies are responsible for 40% of the S&P's value, which in turn makes up 50% of the world's total equity valuation.
The problem is so theoretically it's a it's a wildly accretive thing to do but all you're doing is I remember we were doing this in the late '90s. We were we were buying software from all the other startups we worked with backed by the companies who had backed us wanted us to go that was
Gold Prices and Loss of Faith in the Dollar [26:19]
- The price of gold has surpassed $4,000 for the first time, with prices up over 50% since the beginning of the year.
- Gold typically rises during periods of uncertainty and is on track for its best year since 1979.
- The rally in gold is seen as an indictment against the US, as people are moving into alternatives beyond dollars.
- Foreign central banks are increasing their gold holdings, no longer considering US debt a safe asset due to high deficits.
- There is a growing perception that gold is a safer asset than the dollar.
- The US dollar's position as the default currency is a source of economic power, enabling sanctions and economic leverage.
- The fact that gold is above $4,000 is presented as a concerning indicator for the economy.
The bottom line is the runup in gold. Is essentially an indictment against the US because gold is sort of dollars and everyone's going into bit. That's what Griffin was saying. They're going into everything but dollars.
Apple's Leadership Transition and Corporate Governance [35:47]
- Tim Cook may step down as Apple CEO in the near future, with hardware engineering chief John Turnis emerging as a frontrunner for replacement.
- Turnis, 50 years old, has a strong technology background and is the same age Cook was when he took over.
- Apple is described as arguably the best-run company in the world for the last 20-30 years, with Tim Cook overseeing significant growth from $300 billion to $3.5 trillion in market capitalization.
- A key lesson from Apple is the importance of leaders knowing when to leave, a principle suggested for elected officials and corporate leaders like Bob Iger.
- The speaker advocates for self-imposed term limits on boards, like a four-year limit, to allow for fresh perspectives and prevent individuals from overstaying their welcome.
- Bad boards are characterized by a lack of executive sessions where the CEO is absent, which prevents open discussion about leadership performance.
- The likability of CEOs is discussed as a factor in their career progression, often allowing them to build consensus and avoid making enemies.
- Good boards are recommended to include shareholders and not just associates of the CEO.
The biggest lesson people can take away from Apple specifically right now, and it's a really important lesson that our elected leaders and Bob Iger need to learn. Leave. You are too old. Leave.
Major Banks and the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac IPO [43:57]
- Major banks are vying for roles in the potential IPO of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, with CEOs visiting the White House to gain favor.
- The administration is looking for an IPO with a combined value of $500 billion, aiming to raise roughly $30 billion, which could be the largest IPO in history.
- This situation is seen as another significant payoff, this time for the banks, similar to past benefits for tech companies.
- The process is criticized for potentially involving political favoritment rather than a competitive bidding process for the syndicate.
- The president's influence in such decisions is seen as creating an unfair market and an ecosystem that withers away.
- The downside of autocracy is described as punishing enemies, but an equally important flip side is overrewarding allies, potentially harming small and medium-sized businesses.
- It is argued that the decision of who participates in the syndicate should be made by an independent committee of smart people, not influenced by the president.
It's it's the reason why Jamie Diamond, who I think is a leader, or or um David Solomon, who I also think is a great CEO, um are less inclined to speak their mind and say the Fed needs to be independent, although they have said that, or these tariffs make no sense because they're all hoping to get a part of that underwriting underwriters fee for this.