Atheist Shocked By Muslim After Questioning The Prophet's Marriage! Muhammed Ali

Historical Marriage Ages and Societal Norms [00:14]

• A debate arises regarding the age of marriage and whether historical practices align with modern views.
• 200 years ago in the UK, the age of marriage was significantly lower, with a woman potentially being married at age seven and entitled to dowry at age nine, and consummation possible at nine.
• Sir William Blackstone, a jurist, is cited as documenting these legal aspects in his "Commentaries on the British Law of England."
• Similar low marriage ages (around 10 years old) were observed in America around the same period (200 years ago).
• These ages were not specific to religious laws but were part of general human history and only changed recently after the industrial revolution.
• The concept of "age of consent" is described as a modern, liberal idea; historically, the focus was on the age of marriage.
• A modern paradox is highlighted: the age of consent can be 14-16, but the age of marriage is 18, leading to a situation where intercourse is permissible, but marriage is not.

The age of marriage was very, very low. When did it start to increase? After the industrial revolution, right? After the industrial revolution, they wanted to introduce two people into the workforce.

Defining Adulthood and Maturity [03:22]

• The question of what constitutes an "adult" and the "right age" for marriage or adulthood is posed.
• The speaker suggests that defining an adult is circular if based solely on societal decree.
• The age for things like alcohol consumption is mentioned as an example of societal age limits.
• The age of consent is noted as varying globally, with examples of 16, 18, and historically even 12 in some places like Japan and the Philippines.
• A critique is made of the arbitrary nature of age cutoffs, where someone 364 days, 23 hours, and 59 minutes away from a birthday is not an adult, but becomes one a minute later.
• In Islam, adulthood is not viewed solely by age; the definition of a child historically was someone under the age of puberty.

What age is the right age? When what age does a person become an adult?

Historical Societal Functioning and Maturity [05:07]

• The speaker emphasizes the difference between children of today and children in the past, arguing that one cannot impose current standards on the past.
• Historically, there were no elementary schools or kindergartens; a child's next step after birth might be marriage.
• Societal structures were traditional, with men working and women managing the household and then getting married and having children upon reaching maturity.
• Children in the past dealt with adults more frequently, leading to different psychological maturity levels compared to today's children who are isolated with peers.
• Historically, a child was defined as someone under the age of puberty, and upon reaching puberty, they were no longer considered a child.
• Marriage readiness was determined by parents looking at the individual.

Things were very different. Why? There was no uh elementary school, kindergarten, high school. No, the kid will be born, the daughter will be there, her next step in life is to get married.

The Case of Aisha and Islamic Marriage Principles [06:33]

• The historical context of Britain is used to underscore how different history is from current perceptions.
• A specific case is discussed: a marriage contract existed between a young girl and Prophet Muhammad, but there was no consummation until she reached puberty.
• She remained with her father, Abu Bakr, until puberty, emphasizing the care and protection involved.
• The marriage was consummated only after she reached the age of puberty.
• The speaker counters criticism by pointing out that the legal age of marriage in that country at the time was seven, suggesting that criticizing this historical event is selective.
• Examples of historical figures like King Richard II marrying a six-year-old are mentioned to further illustrate historical norms.
• In Islam, marrying a very young girl is presented as an exception, not the general rule, which involves finding a mature and suitable partner.

The legal age of marriage was 7 years old in this country. So why don't you you basically are going to be criticizing the whole human history just to criticize Prophet Muhammad.

Exceptions and Justifications in Islamic Marriage [08:01]

• Marrying a very young girl in Islam is an exception, not the norm.
• Scholars provide examples of when this exception might occur:
  • A father who is very poor and cannot financially support his young daughter might arrange a marriage contract for her to receive financial care, without immediate consummation.
  • If a very righteous and good person is identified as a potential husband, a marriage contract is made to secure that match for the daughter until she is ready.
• The case of Abu Bakr, a close companion, wanting to get closer to Prophet Muhammad by having his daughter marry him is cited as an example of securing a prestigious alliance.
• Prophet Muhammad's first marriage was to Khadijah, who was 15 years older; his later marriage to Saud was to an older woman in her 50s.
• The marriage contract in the exception is about securing the match, with consummation occurring only when the girl reaches puberty and is ready.
• Modern Muslim marriages globally generally follow typical age ranges, similar to the rest of the world, making these instances exceptional.

The general rule, you would go and find a girl that is in a good age, is mature and and all of that, right? The exception to the rule is scholars they say, for example, let's say I'll give you a few examples.

Criteria for Marriage in Islam: Maturity Over Age [10:25]

• In Islam, there is no specific age of marriage; the criteria are physical ability and maturity, and mental ability and maturity.
• For a younger girl, only the father can give agreement for the marriage contract, and it must be for the girl's benefit, or he will be punished.
• These are described as very exceptional cases and situations.
• The NHS states that girls reach puberty or menstruation between the ages of 8 and 14 today, not 1,400 years ago.
• The speaker questions the definition of a "child" if someone has reached puberty, asking if a 9-year-old who has had puberty is no longer a child and becomes an adult.
• The distinction is made between physical adulthood (post-puberty) and mental maturity, especially relevant for a 9-year-old.
• The girl's guardian (father) must approve the marriage and ensure it's for her benefit.

Criteria is physical ability and maturity and mental ability and maturity.

The Father's Role and Girl's Consent in Marriage [12:51]

• In Islam, a girl requires her father's permission for marriage; she cannot initiate marriage with just anyone based on her liking.
• The father is considered to know and care for his daughter's well-being better than anyone else.
• If a girl is not mentally ready for marriage, the father should wait; causing harm is unacceptable in Islam.
• Marriage requires both physical and mental readiness.
• The father's approval is necessary, but it must also be for the girl's benefit. If not, the father faces punishment.
• A father must present a valid reason and benefit for an early marriage.
• The girl's acceptance is also a crucial part of the marriage process; no virgin is given in marriage without her approval.

The girl requires the farthest permission. The girl doesn't just go to any random man and says, "Okay, I like I love this boy, for example. I want I want to get married to him or I love this man I want to get married to her. It doesn't work like that in Islam.

Historical Context and Presentism [15:24]

• The early marriage practices are not common in Muslim societies today due to changing cultural norms.
• Marriage is described as a cultural practice that can evolve with societal norms, as long as it doesn't contradict divine commands.
• The engagement of Aisha to someone before Prophet Muhammad is mentioned, indicating it was not an unusual practice at the time.
• The speaker reiterates that 200 years ago, marriage at seven was common sense because girls did not attend kindergarten and were considered ready for marriage and childbearing upon puberty.
• Societies functioned differently, and life expectancy was lower, necessitating earlier family formation.
• Criticizing historical practices, especially those of prophets, by applying modern standards is a fallacy called "presentism" – ignoring historical context.

You cannot apply the morals and values of today situations and ignore how things were in the past. You got to look at everything in it context.

Morality as Objective vs. Relative [17:12]

• The question is posed about the source of morality: is it personal opinion, societal values, or something else?
• If morality is based on personal subjective opinion, then one person's opinion is not superior to another's.
• The speaker argues that morality comes from God (objective) and not from subjective human opinions, which can change.
• If morality is relative, then there is no fixed morality, and it depends on what society deems acceptable at a given time.
• The Bible is mentioned as not having a specific age of marriage, but Ezekiel talks about puberty as a marker.
• Historical Christian church fathers were reportedly betrothed or married at ages like 12.
• The speaker concludes that current moral standards cannot be retroactively applied to the past.

Where are you determining that is to be right or wrong? Where do you get your morality from is my question.

Addressing Teenage Sexual Urges and Solutions [20:31]

• A hypothetical scenario is presented: a girl hits puberty at age nine and has sexual desires.
• The speaker argues that teenage girls are more sexually active and have stronger sexual urges than older women.
• The question is posed: what is the solution for these teenagers if the age of marriage is 16, 18, or 19?
• The common societal "solution" of telling them to wait is deemed ineffective, as teenagers often do not wait.
• The speaker suggests that if individuals are going to engage in sexual activity regardless, marriage provides a better, structured framework.
• Marriage, in an Islamic context, is presented as a contract that allows intercourse permissibly and establishes responsibilities, contrasting with modern Western views where people live together and have intercourse before marriage without a clear point to marrying.

Can you tell me what's your solution? You know, we see what happens in the UK. You talk about shagging. You have girls and boys shagging at 13 14 and being pregnant and

Marriage as a Solution and Islamic Wisdom [23:26]

• If premarital sexual activity is inevitable, marriage is presented as a more responsible path, involving two families, financial responsibilities, and accountability.
• Marriage in Islam is described as a simple contract allowing intercourse permissibly and assigning responsibilities.
• The undertaking of marriage at a young age is questioned by one participant, while the speaker argues that it's about how one views marriage.
• The speaker contrasts the "Hollywood marriage" with the Islamic perspective, where marriage is a contract that legitimizes sexual relations and creates familial bonds.
• The alternative to marriage, when faced with teenage sexual urges, leads to negative outcomes like abortions and the exploitation of women.
• Islam offers a framework ("wisdom of a creator") to manage these issues through marriage, providing structure, monitoring, and governance.
• The speaker reiterates that Islam does not prescribe a specific age but emphasizes maturity, with parents determining readiness and accepting suitable partners after investigation.
• Modern Muslim marriages generally occur at ages comparable to global averages, not at the historically cited younger ages.

If they going to do what they going to do, then why not do it in the uh under the eyes of the family and the governing of the family and respect in a in the eyes of God and something called marriage or you can monitor the the their behavior.