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Dr. Mark Thornton Warns 'Fiat Is In The ICU' And Central Banks Do Not Trust Each Other

Dr. Mark Thornton Warns 'Fiat Is In The ICU' And Central Banks Do Not Trust Each Other

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Video Summary

The video discusses current market volatility, with the S&P 500 experiencing a pullback from record highs, while precious metals like silver and gold show resilience. Poland's central bank's decision to increase gold reserves is highlighted as a strategic move amidst a perceived breakdown of the current monetary order, as suggested by Ray Dalio. Dr. Mark Thornton explains that silver's inelastic supply, largely a byproduct of base metal mining, creates a unique situation where demand surges can lead to significant price increases as supply struggles to keep pace, especially with global environmental policies discouraging mining expansion. The conversation delves into the geopolitical implications of central banks acquiring gold, the challenges facing bond markets due to government overspending and potential currency debasement, and the historical pattern of skyscraper booms preceding economic downturns, suggesting a K-shaped economy where the wealthy benefit disproportionately. An interesting fact is that Russia has gained an estimated $216 billion in gold value since the war began, effectively offsetting frozen assets.

The discussion explores the intricate relationship between monetary policy, government debt, and asset prices, positing that the current era of uncontrolled government spending and money printing is unsustainable. The potential for a return to a gold-backed system is considered, not as a return to physical coin transactions, but as a mechanism for settling international trade and restoring confidence in currencies when bond markets falter. The video concludes by emphasizing the growing distrust in politicians and governments as a guiding principle for navigating future economic uncertainties, and notes the increasing demand for precious metals globally, even as some investors might be forced to liquidate their holdings to meet financial obligations.

Short Highlights

  • The S&P 500 is down approximately 1.5%, wiping out year-to-date gains, but is pulling back from record highs.
  • Silver briefly traded near $96 per ounce, showing significant volatility, while gold held above $4,700.
  • Poland's central bank plans to purchase an additional 150 tons of gold, aiming for 700 tons in total reserves.
  • Ray Dalio suggests the current monetary order is breaking down and fiat currency is no longer a central bank asset.
  • Silver's supply is highly inelastic, as much of it is a byproduct of copper, lead, and zinc mining; reduced demand for these metals can decrease silver supply.
  • Global environmental policies have discouraged mining expansion, further constraining silver supply.
  • Rising interest rates on long-term bonds in the US, Japan, and Great Britain are unsettling markets due to profuse deficit spending.
  • Russia has reportedly gained approximately $216 billion in gold value since the war began, offsetting frozen assets.
  • The Japanese bond market experienced a spike in yields, the highest in decades, drawing comparisons to the UK's 2022 bond crisis.
  • The "skyscraper curse" pattern suggests that record-breaking construction booms, like the restarting of the Jedha Tower, can be symptomatic of financial conditions preceding economic crises.
  • A return to a gold-backed system is seen as a possibility, with governments potentially using gold to settle trade or restore currency confidence.
  • The interviewee's final advice is to distrust politicians and government officials, seeing this distrust as a guiding principle for personal economic decision-making.

Key Details

Market Volatility and Precious Metals [0:03]

  • The S&P 500 is experiencing a decline of about 1.5%, erasing its gains for the year, but this is characterized as a pullback from record highs rather than a crash.
  • Silver has shown significant volatility, briefly trading near $96 on the spot market before retracting, while gold remains firm above $4,700.
  • This volatility is attributed to thinner market liquidity as it seeks the right price, but the underlying bid is described as being tested, not dead.

"The signal is volatility."

Poland's Strategic Gold Acquisition [0:53]

  • Poland's central bank has approved the purchase of an additional 150 tons of gold, with a target of 700 tons in total reserves.
  • This move is framed as a strategic decision by a NATO ally on Europe's eastern flank, choosing physical gold over interest-bearing bonds.
  • This aligns with comments from billionaire Ray Dalio at the World Economic Forum, who stated the current monetary order is breaking down and fiat is no longer a central bank asset.

"Choosing physical gold over interest-bearing bonds is a strategic decision. It's not a trade."

The "Capital War" and Fiat Currency Concerns [1:32]

  • There is a concern about "capital wars," where countries holding US dollar-denominated debt are worried about its stability and the United States' production of it.
  • This situation necessitates an explanation of what is happening with fiat currencies generally, especially in light of ongoing conflicts.
  • The possibility exists that there might be a reduced inclination to buy US debt, prompting an examination of who is buying and selling assets behind market movements.

"So you have to explain what is going on with fiat currencies generally speaking. And now if you take the conflicts you can't ignore the possibility the capital wars."

The Silver Supply Paradox [4:36]

  • A significant portion of silver supply comes as a byproduct from copper, lead, and zinc mining, rather than primary silver mines.
  • If the global economy slows, leading to reduced demand for base metals, production in those mines will decrease, consequently reducing the byproduct supply of silver.
  • The supply of silver is described as very inelastic, meaning it cannot respond quickly or significantly to price changes.
  • Expanding primary silver mine production or recycling efforts takes years, further limiting short-term supply adjustments.
  • Years of global environmental policies discouraging extractive industries have also constrained supply.

"And if the economy is going downhill, if economic activity worldwide, especially industrial activity is declining, then there's less demand for lead, copper, zinc, and so forth. And it doesn't give those mines any incentive whatsoever to increase output. And therefore, there's going to be less byproduct silver production coming into the market."

Futures Market Strain and Price Response [7:23]

  • The futures markets for silver are experiencing difficulties, including backwardation and margin calls, none of which have slowed the price increase.
  • The primary response to surging demand and constrained supply is expected to be a significant price increase, which will eventually discourage some consumers.
  • Despite this, the cost of silver in individual products remains relatively low, suggesting the overall market is positioned for much higher prices.
  • Higher prices may also incentivize more recycling of silver, potentially flowing from the retail level back to wholesale.

"So the big response we're going to see going forward is a price response and of course that will eventually you know discourage certain consumers certain buyers of silver um and they'll try to economize but again very very difficult."

Mining Sector Leverage and Opportunities [9:13]

  • Investors seeking leverage might look at primary silver miners due to limited primary silver supply.
  • Gold miners with significant silver credits are also considered, especially those with established cash flow and lower risk.
  • Gold miners with a heavy silver emphasis and royalty companies are expected to benefit from higher gold prices, with major miners accumulating strong balance sheets.
  • While the leverage in miners has not yet fully paid off against the metals themselves, their stock prices are expected to perform well as earnings reports reflect underlying corporate performance.

"So the metals themselves, you know, which we expect in the first part of a big huge rally like this, they're going to do extremely well."

Policy and Geological Constraints on Supply [11:06]

  • Global environmental policies have discouraged mining and extractive industries for years, impacting platinum, palladium, silver, and gold.
  • This discouragement has led to a lack of incentive for exploration and new mine development, creating a need for the industry to catch up.
  • Geological realities, such as declining ore grades and the difficulty of finding easily accessible ounces, also contribute to higher mining costs and longer development times.
  • Higher prices are expected to drive innovation in discovery and processing technologies, including reprocessing old ores and tailings.

"And so we're going to be playing a lot of catchup where you know the exploration side and the development side of minds is really going to start going at a breakneck speed um out there to catch up with things."

The "Cantillon Effect" and Economic Divide [39:29]

  • The "Cantillon effect" describes how money printing benefits those closest to the source (financial centers like New York City and Washington D.C.) first.
  • This leads to a K-shaped economy, where upper-income individuals and those with access to credit and low-interest rates benefit from rising asset values, while the rest of the population experiences stagnant wages and inflation.
  • The Fed's renovation of its headquarters while markets are under pressure is cited as a potential example of this phenomenon.
  • The K-shaped economy creates a significant divide between those benefiting from the system and the working class, whose real wages are suffering.

"And so this exactly explains the big story which is the K-shaped economy in the United States. The big economic divide. What you know divides Americans basically is the people who are benefiting from the system."

The Skyscraper Curse and Economic Cycles [43:12]

  • The "skyscraper curse" is a historical pattern where record-setting skyscrapers are built during easy money booms, often preceding economic downturns.
  • The restarting of construction on Saudi Arabia's Jedha Tower, intended to be the world's tallest, is presented as a potential signal of this pattern repeating, especially as bond markets elsewhere are stressed.
  • While building a skyscraper doesn't cause a crisis, it's symptomatic of financial conditions that see both extreme construction and the onset of economic crises.
  • This phenomenon, along with the advancement of technologies like AI, reflects broader distortions in the world economy caused by artificial interest rates and money printing, leading to malinvestments.

"The skyscraper is a construction project. It's a real estate project of enormous proportions and there's all sorts of new technology that we don't necessarily see in the construction of those record setting skyscrapers."

The Endgame: A Return to Gold? [47:46]

  • A return to a gold-backed system is considered a real possibility, not for everyday transactions, but for governments to settle trade and restore confidence in currencies.
  • This shift is seen as happening "right now," with people considering holding and using gold for barter.
  • Governments are expected to resist a return to gold, but increasing distrust in fiat currencies and the current economic chaos may force this transition.
  • The development of "cryptocryptized" forms of gold and silver could also play a role in future transactions.

"So I think you're going to see that's one of the market revolutions that you're going to see is that people are going to want to not only to hold these things, but eventually to be able to use these things."

Stocks vs. Manure and Final Advice [51:11]

  • A prediction contest comparing the S&P 500 to an ETF focused on agricultural commodities (including fertilizers) highlights the idea that commodities may outperform financial assets.
  • Precious metals and industrial metals have performed well, with energy and rare earth markets also showing activity.
  • The final piece of advice for navigating the economic landscape is to distrust politicians and government officials, viewing this distrust as a guiding principle for better personal decision-making.

"Well, I think the best thing that's happening to Americans and and people around the world is they no longer trust their politicians. They no longer trust the government officials, the politicians, and the bureaucrats that are running their economies and running their lives."

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